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A beta orbiter is a man who invests financial and/or non-financial resources (e.g. time) in a girl, especially on social media, in hopes of someday getting in her pants. Girls may keep such men around either as backups for whatever man they're with (in which case, these men are referred to as her penis pipeline), or in the case of some celebrities (such as tradthot Laura Southern or gamer girl Belle Delphine) as sources of beta bux to complement the alpha fux they get from Chad.

Effect on female behavior[edit | edit source]

According to some theories, because girls have so many orbiters who give them attention and validation for free, the need for them to have a nice guy as a boyfriend or husband has been greatly diminished, and they feel freer to chase assholes instead, who offer excitement and drama that her loyal, dependable, kind and gentle orbiters don't.

However, according to other theories, the effect of beta orbiters on female behavior is in most cases negligible, because modern females do not care about attention and validation unless it comes from the Chads they desire. Indeed, some girls will find it insulting if a non-Chad behaves as if he believes he could have a chance with her because it suggests he has a low opinion of her sexual market value.

Types of beta orbiters[edit | edit source]

There are several different types of beta orbiters:

The LJBF Beta Orbiter[edit | edit source]

The LJBF Beta Orbiter is a man who makes an advance on a woman, who tells him "let's just be friends." The orbiter continues to hang around this woman as a "friend", hoping that she will develop romantic feelings for him.

The Male Feminist[edit | edit source]

These men tend to believe they are always at fault if they are rejected and will go neverending rounds of working on themselves around women who clearly don't want them. These are usually jokingly called ‘aliados’ (allies) in Spanish communities, making it a famous meme for both normies and incels.

The Gay Best Friend[edit | edit source]

He does not actually have to be gay to be "the gay best friend." The Gay Best Friend is a man that female view as "one of the girls." He engages in gossip, text messaging, and emoticons. He may or may not have a "crush" on one of his "girlfriends" but the attraction is not reciprocated. Women will spend hours a day texting the Gay Best Friend, while at the same time having sex with an alpha male.

Financial consequences[edit | edit source]

There are dire financial consequences to being a beta orbiter. The beta orbiter typically wants to leave this orbiter status. Instead of orbiting her, he wants to be with her. Instead of being on the periphery of romance, beta orbiter wants actual romance. Instead of indirect insinuations by the foid that he will someday be rewarded with sex, beta orbiter wants to actually have sex. Instead of the occasional peck on the cheek, beta orbiter wants a full-on snog. Instead of flirty smiles followed by idle trifling, beta orbiter wants flirty smiles to be followed by something tangible.

Whereas the beta orbiter may feel down at not being able to upgrade from the flirtation stage, what compounds this situation is when he is financially involved with this woman, without any enthusiastic reciprocation on her part. The woman in this situation is more logical than the man as she's duping him into buying her things, or doing little favors here and there, while he sees no end benefit from this. His role is similar to a cuckold, as he gives her many of the things a woman wants, such as an ear, validation via praise, and even material gifts, but does he get any of the things a typical man wants in return for that? Such as loyalty, sex, love and affection? nope. he gets none of those. He doesn't even have the status of cuck, since at least a cuck is official with her. He isn't even official with her, yet is in her vicinity, varying from one beta orbiter to another beta orbiter in terms of frequency, with the most simp-like beta orbiter spending heaps of time with her while getting no sex whatsoever.

Female vaginas respond least to erotic audio narratives involving friends[edit | edit source]

A 2012 study measured the subjective and genital responses of 43 heterosexual women when differing narratives were read to them.[1] There were a total of 18 stories used, each about 180 words long. Each took around t 90s to read, and they were written in the second person. Of the 18 stories, 12 were sexual, and 6 were nonsexual in nature. Both prior to and after each of the 18 items were viewed, the participant would report their subjective arousal on a 10 point scale. Their genital response to the narratives was measured using genital gouges. Each of the stories described the participant interacting with either a male or female. Each story could be further divided by the relationship context: the partner was a stranger, a close friend, or a long-term partner. The results were as follows:

Genital and Subjective responses for Female to Male Audio Narratives
Stranger Close Friend Long-term Partner
Genital Arousal* 0.43 (0.96) 0.06 (0.58) 0.31 (0.78)
Subjective Arousal** 2.57 (1.46) 2.89 (1.36) 3.09 (1.67)

*Genital arousal is recorded as a mean Z-score; standard deviation in brackets

**Subjective arousal is recorded as the difference between the pre and post arousal rating; standard deviation in brackets

As we can observe, women reported more divergent scores for subjective arousal, though the differences were significant (p<0.05) for all three relationship types. However, this doesn't hold when measuring female genital arousal. The difference in genital arousal between stories about a close friend and a long-term partner and a stranger was much larger and was statistically significant at the p<0.05 level.

While there was a significant difference in females' self-reported arousal comparing long-term partners and strangers when considering male partners, there was no significant difference in their genital arousal comparing the two relationship contexts. This means we cannot claim that women are more aroused (with their genitals anyway) at the thought of sex with a stranger than with sex with a long-term partner.

These data imply that orbiting a woman in hopes of procuring sex with her would be an inefficient strategy as women are not turned on by their friends nearly as much as they're turned on by either strangers or long-term partners.

These results are consistent with the friend zone meme in that women are exhibit less attraction to men they view as friends.

A more effective approach to procuring sex, or a relationship if you so desire, would be instead to remain somewhat distant (by not revealing too much of your personal life) while simultaneously attempting to flirt with or flatter the desired female. Doing so will essentially put you in the stranger category. We can deduce that what's arousing about sex with a stranger would be the sense of mystery, novelty, and danger a woman will feel with a stranger she finds attractive. In contrast, the reverse might be valid as to why sex with a long-term partner is equally arousing, i.e., that the arousal stems from the security, love, and care that comes from a relationship.

However, a close friend is an in-between of the two types; it has all of the unappealing traits of both with none of the attractive ones (a similar concept would be the potential outbreeding depression that may or may not occur when two genetically distant people produce a child that performs worse than both parents in either of their native ecologies). Friends are too close for the relationship to feel any sense of mystery but at the same time are not close enough for there to be a sense of absolute security.

On the other hand, research indicates that most relationships are initiated with people one already knows, either a friend or an acquaintance.[2] This may suggest that women sometimes do trade-off trust for sexual attraction or other desirable partner factors when initiating long-term relationships. Women may also prefer to use a long waiting period to test the man's status, social proof, willingness to invest in her, incite male competition for her favors, either directly or indirectly, etc. The contrast between the conclusions of these two studies may also suggest that, while beta-orbiting is a strategy that may indeed "pay-off" for many men if one primarily desires casual sex, it is woefully inefficient for that purpose compared to a low-trust, high-mating effort strategy.

Another explanation for the high rate of relationship initiation in the context of one's social circle may be that many people essentially drift through life passively, seizing whatever mating opportunities they get but essentially going for convenience, "the art of the possible", and the best proximate option than having direct solid control over their mate choices, which results in a natural gap between ideal preferences and actual mate choices.

Other notable effects that women rated were feelings of Anxiety, Boredom, Disgust, Happiness, Interest, and Relaxation. Women on average rated a 0.11 Reduction in anxiety after stories involving Long-term partners but also saw a 0.21 and 0.14 increase in feelings of anxiety for stories involving Strangers and Close Friends, respectively. Women also reported a 1.5 reduction in feelings of boredom with stories involving long-term partners, but only a 1.16 and 1.09 reduction in boredom feelings for strangers and friends, respectively.

Females reported a 0.21 increase in disgust for stories involving Close friends, but a 0.16 and 0.12 increase in feelings of disgust involving Strangers and Long-term partners, respectively. Women reported a 0.86 increase in feelings of happiness involving stories with Long-term partners, but only a 0.58 and 0.06 increase in happiness with Close Friends and Strangers, respectively. Women reported a 1.83 increase in feelings of interest involving stories with Close Friends but reported a 1.66 and 1.24 increase with Long-term partners and Strangers, respectively. Finally, women reported a 0.24 increase in feelings of relaxation with stories involving Long-term partners but saw a 0.4 and 0.75 decrease in feelings of relaxation with Close friends and Strangers, respectively.

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References[edit | edit source]



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